1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:18,000 I have some drawings, some pictures that I not exactly took but some sketches or something 2 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:30,000 that I have seen in the sky which I was in an area, a specific area which I had researched. 3 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:31,000 Yes. 4 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:42,000 I have seen a working functional part, it was really unbelievable the way it was orbiting. 5 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,000 Okay, you have these now? 6 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:45,000 Yes, I do. 7 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,000 Okay, does it show a definite object? 8 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,000 Yes, it does. 9 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,000 Okay, when were these taken? 10 00:00:52,000 --> 00:01:01,000 Exactly about 40 or 45 minutes ago. 11 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:06,000 I talked to Hopkins and I talked to the news from downtown Cleveland Channel 5. 12 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:07,000 Yes. 13 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:12,000 I recommended that I talk to the Hopkins and see if they pick up anything on the radar, 14 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:20,000 which they didn't and I talked to them about that to control the center and they told me 15 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,000 he gave me the number to talk to you over there. 16 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:30,000 Okay, first of all would you like to tell us exactly what happened? 17 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:43,000 I was working on it and it was like a blue-yellow orange like flare. 18 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:44,000 Yes. 19 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:54,000 It appeared in front of me and it was like a steel wind and when I turned to look there 20 00:01:54,000 --> 00:02:01,000 was something started to orbit, not orbit but hover above me. 21 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:02,000 Yes. 22 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:10,000 When I stopped to turn completely around and I was able to touch it and the material metallic 23 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:27,000 it was like a water or something and it was like a vibration, like a tuning for it. 24 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:28,000 Yes. 25 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:38,000 When I got to see the inside of it, it was a jadwool but the flares of... 26 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:53,000 I was very excited about a Mustang that was continuing to revolve and on the bottom, 27 00:02:53,000 --> 00:03:03,000 on the top it was like a... it was unbelievable. 28 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,000 What was it like on top? 29 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:11,000 The whole cylinder, it was like a blue steel color. 30 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:12,000 Okay. 31 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:20,000 It had fragments like slabs of welding or something. 32 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:21,000 Uh-huh. 33 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:22,000 Right. 34 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,000 And this just moved around you? 35 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,000 Yes, it did. 36 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:34,000 Okay, now when this was moving around you, was it overhead or just about belt level? 37 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:42,000 I see it was about a good 10 to 15 feet high. 38 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:43,000 Okay. 39 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,000 Off the ground. 40 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:46,000 Okay. 41 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:50,000 Now did you see this come down out of the sky or did it just appear? 42 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:56,000 I don't smoke though, I don't miss when it happens, I don't shoot new drugs. 43 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:57,000 Uh-huh. 44 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:58,000 I barely do drugs. 45 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:02,000 Well, it's in the wire. 46 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:09,000 But we need to reach out and test but you know, it's not an automobile, it's not an aircraft. 47 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:16,000 Hey, because you know, I know everybody is saying you're crazy. 48 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:17,000 No, no. 49 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:26,000 I'm not the only one that's saying this here, you know, everybody else is stopped or ran for cover. 50 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,000 Okay, how many other people did see it? 51 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:29,000 Were there quite a few around there? 52 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,000 Uh, there was about four of us together. 53 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:37,000 Okay, now did you actually see this come out of the sky or did it just appear above you? 54 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:41,000 No, I actually seen it in motion. 55 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,000 Okay. 56 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:49,000 Stop and go, just like you have five fingers on each hand, right, fingers on the phone. 57 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:50,000 Right. 58 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,000 That's how close it was. 59 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,000 Life itself. 60 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:55,000 Okay. 61 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:59,000 So, I'm not saying immaterial about it, this was reality. 62 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,000 That's what I'm saying. 63 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:05,000 Okay, now did you pick up any sound from this thing? 64 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:15,000 No, something like a, it felt like a tuning and it felt like a, like a world best, like a turbo or something was turning. 65 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:16,000 Turbine? 66 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,000 Similar to a turbine. 67 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,000 Uh-huh, okay. 68 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:25,000 And you estimated the size about that of a small car? 69 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:31,000 No, the inside of it, you know, the, the java itself. 70 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,000 Well, I see. 71 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:34,000 Okay. 72 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:48,000 But the craft would, excuse me, then, you know, like 50 to 50 feet in diameter, roughly, a larger. 73 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:54,000 Okay, now what was the exact shape of the craft itself? 74 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:59,000 You may not believe me, but it was like a, a flyer software. 75 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:00,000 A disc shape? 76 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,000 Hey, excuse me, I wish it didn't work, man. 77 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:07,000 Hey, it was like a disc. 78 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,000 Okay. 79 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:14,000 Um, a top and a bottom with two, like you take two plates and put them together. 80 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,000 And it came on each side. 81 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,000 There was no wings. 82 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:30,000 It felt when it went back into the sky, it looked like the opposite side of it would go into a, like an angle and it just went straight up. 83 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:31,000 Okay. 84 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:37,000 Now let me get back to the shape and see if it's the same as other people have described to us. 85 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:45,000 Would this be like taking two saucers or two plates and putting them together rim to rim? 86 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:46,000 Rim to rim? 87 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:47,000 Yeah. 88 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:48,000 And so. 89 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:49,000 Oh, no, no. 90 00:06:49,000 --> 00:07:06,000 Just with, uh, what? 91 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:07,000 No, he doesn't believe me. 92 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:08,000 Yes, I do. 93 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:13,000 It was like, oh, wow. 94 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:23,000 You know how you take a, a hydro, a hydro for the front of the boat that comes to a point? 95 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:24,000 Right. 96 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:28,000 You take another boat and lay it on top of it. 97 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:29,000 Okay. 98 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,000 And then you just, the air, like the back of an airplane wing. 99 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:33,000 Right. 100 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:37,000 Like it was complete, a complete circle. 101 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:38,000 Okay. 102 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,000 Okay. 103 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:45,000 Did you see any openings in this thing other than the, the center? 104 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:55,000 Uh, in the front, I guess it was in front of whatever, you know, it seems like it was like an asbestos covering. 105 00:07:55,000 --> 00:08:09,000 Like when it went to, you know, leave the, uh, I guess the height that it would deliver that was on, it just went like, um, I can just pack the food. 106 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:10,000 Uh-huh. 107 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:18,000 It just opened and it just went on up straight up into there. 108 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:19,000 Okay. 109 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:24,000 Now when this went straight up in the air, did it stay on the horizontal or did it flip up on in? 110 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:33,000 No, it was like a, take a, uh, frisbee and throw it straight. 111 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:34,000 Right. 112 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,000 And just go straight up in the air. 113 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:37,000 Okay. 114 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,000 And then it just went disappeared out of sight. 115 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:40,000 Right. 116 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:41,000 Okay. 117 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,000 Was that a very high speed climb? 118 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:52,000 It was like, uh, like a, like a flare. 119 00:08:52,000 --> 00:09:01,000 It was like, uh, it smelled like a, like, uh, like exactly settling. 120 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,000 I could use a swelling to it. 121 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:04,000 Right. 122 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:11,000 But it, it was a real, real light smell behind it, you know. 123 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:12,000 Okay. 124 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,000 What time did you spot that? 125 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:21,000 Uh, I think roughly about five after, about five after 11. 126 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:22,000 Okay. 127 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:31,000 And how, how close did you feel that that got to you? 128 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,000 Like you touched an air balloon. 129 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:35,000 Okay. 130 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,000 Did you, did you reach out and touch this thing? 131 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:39,000 Yes, I did. 132 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,000 And did it feel metallic to you? 133 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,000 Uh, yes it did. 134 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:50,000 It just felt like a, a continuous, it was like a, a vibrator or something, you know. 135 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,000 You could feel a vibration? 136 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:53,000 Yes, I did. 137 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:54,000 Okay. 138 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,000 Did you get any tingling sensation over your body? 139 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:00,000 Like you would get, you know, when you, you have an arm that has gone to sleep from lack 140 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,000 of circulation? 141 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,000 Oh, I'm in personally health. 142 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:04,000 Okay. 143 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:05,000 I stay in safety. 144 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:06,000 Oh, great. 145 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:10,000 And how long did that whole experience last? 146 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,000 Uh, roughly three to four minutes. 147 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:14,000 Okay. 148 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:15,000 I got this. 149 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:21,000 Don't nobody believe me, but if I had the machinery and the tools to put that together 150 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:35,000 the way I put the whole arm forces a shank because of the maneuver of it, you know. 151 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:36,000 Yes. 152 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:42,000 Now, when this was maneuvering overhead, did it just have a continuous vibration? 153 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:43,000 Yeah. 154 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,000 Did it just have a continuously circling around you? 155 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:47,000 No. 156 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:52,000 When I would move, it would move. 157 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:56,000 When we move, brother, it would move towards us. 158 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:00,000 Like we started the car. 159 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,000 It came, definitely came into range. 160 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:06,000 I said about 10 or 15 feet high. 161 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:12,000 And when we put the lights out, that's when it starts straight up, you know, into the 162 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,000 air. 163 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:14,000 I see. 164 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,000 In other words, when the lights went off, it just retreated from you. 165 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:17,000 Okay. 166 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:18,000 Okay. 167 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,000 Now, were you in the car when you first spotted this? 168 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,000 No, we wasn't. 169 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:24,000 Okay. 170 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,000 What prompted you to get into the car? 171 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:28,000 Pardon? 172 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,000 Why did you get into the car? 173 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,000 I thought it was going to crash. 174 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,000 Oh, were you going to follow this thing? 175 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,000 Hey, I thought it was going to crash. 176 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:39,000 I see. 177 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:40,000 Okay. 178 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:44,000 Were you trying to escape? 179 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,000 Get away from it? 180 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:47,000 Yes, I did. 181 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:48,000 Okay. 182 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:55,000 You know how you see so much, you know, happening in the street? 183 00:11:55,000 --> 00:12:01,000 And when the chemical is in the air, because of the waste of modern exhausting in the zone, 184 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,000 that you have, you know. 185 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:04,000 Yes. 186 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,000 Like this here. 187 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:12,000 Oh, wow. 188 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:17,000 Did this whole experience frighten you? 189 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:24,000 Yeah, so many words, yes, but it was really amazing, you know, like, it was just like 190 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:31,000 something people have been talking about, but I really got a chance to see it from the 191 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:32,000 start. 192 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,000 We got a chance to see it from the start. 193 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:42,000 Okay, now, how did you feel about the subject of UFOs prior to this experience? 194 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,000 Loony. 195 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,000 Loony, you don't want a believer? 196 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:49,000 Were you really a die-hard non-believer? 197 00:12:49,000 --> 00:13:02,000 Well, no, not exactly, because science, you know, is very amazing. 198 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:08,000 If we could get somebody over there to talk to you, would you give him an interview? 199 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,000 Hey, man, I'll do it. 200 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,000 I'll do it. 201 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,000 I'll do it. 202 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:21,000 Okay, did this entire experience cause you to become fatigued or exhausted? 203 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:28,000 No, I just wanted to, in other words, what I'm saying is, I want to captivate myself. 204 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:34,000 Or help somebody to help me captivate, you know, whatever it is, because anybody said 205 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:41,000 they just believed, but you know, like, I'm not looking for no fame and no glory, but 206 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,000 just another he-same, she-same thing. 207 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,000 Just there to be seen. 208 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:50,000 A lot of people disbelieve, but you know, once you can reach out and say, well, that's 209 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:56,000 what it really is, to do this or that, that's what, you know, I recall, you know, been calling 210 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:02,000 different, now it's in the newsroom, I asked them to take it up on the read-off. 211 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:03,000 Uh-huh. 212 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:08,000 And, you know, my friend, I'll say she called, I'll say it, call out to some other people, 213 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:13,000 and I said, this is the issue, this is where they heard something, but they didn't pay 214 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:14,000 no attention. 215 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:15,000 Right. 216 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:21,000 But, you know, when I called on, uh, had a guy, you know, I had something in the showing 217 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,000 that he wanted to read. 218 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:28,000 They used to be, he laughed, you know, just be on off and told me to call up to Hopkins, 219 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,000 and Hopkins told me to call you. 220 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:32,000 Right. 221 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,000 They didn't pick up anything on the read-off. 222 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:35,000 Uh-huh. 223 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,000 So, they gave me your number. 224 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:41,000 Okay, you didn't have a camera or anything, handy, did you? 225 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:42,000 Uh, no, I don't. 226 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:43,000 Okay. 227 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:44,000 No, I'm sorry, hold on. 228 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:51,000 Okay, did you, uh, before you saw this object, did you, was there anything strange that happened 229 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,000 in your area prior to seeing this? 230 00:14:54,000 --> 00:15:01,000 No, there's been several accidents on this, this portion of an accident, you know, nothing 231 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:02,000 about it. 232 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:03,000 Okay. 233 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:04,000 The, uh, 234 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,000 Part of the accident, really? 235 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:11,000 Was there any problems with the, uh, your lighting in the area prior to seeing this? 236 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,000 No, not exactly. 237 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:22,000 They're putting up a lot of poles on camera, but, yeah, but, uh, when you see something 238 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:26,000 flying, man, you don't do nothing but accept it. 239 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,000 Okay, you said there were other witnesses. 240 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,000 Do you know any of these people? 241 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:34,000 Well, I'm not going to say wife to be. 242 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:35,000 Pardon? 243 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,000 Well, I'm not going to say wife to be. 244 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,000 How did she take this? 245 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:51,000 Well, I don't know if I can answer. 246 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,000 Well, I mean, could she believe, actually believe what she was seeing? 247 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:59,000 No, she said he, just a little, a little, a little, you know, a little woman. 248 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:07,000 They, they don't discover something up there, run a top secret mission and can do this 249 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,000 something that he's doing. 250 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:12,000 That's what I actually see. 251 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,000 We're going to try to get somebody over there to talk to you and see if we can get some 252 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:16,000 diagrams and so forth. 253 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,000 Did that be all right with you? 254 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:19,000 Hey, man. 255 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,000 It's going to be beautiful. 256 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:22,000 Okay. 257 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:23,000 We sure appreciate this report. 258 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:27,000 And if we come up with any other information on this, why we'll get back to you and let 259 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:28,000 you know. 260 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,000 I still say don't nobody believe me, man. 261 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,000 You know, right? 262 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:38,000 Well, I understand how you feel because we've, we've talked to people before who've had 263 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:44,000 these experiences and they get a very negative attitude from the, you know, the outsiders. 264 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:52,000 If I draw it and show you the way it was functioning, the way I've seen it exactly, just like you've 265 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:59,000 seen your hand in front of your face, just like you draw your card back and forth and 266 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:00,000 work. 267 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,000 And maybe, you know, you will believe me or whoever will come. 268 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,000 Maybe then they'll believe me. 269 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:06,000 Okay. 270 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:09,000 If we send you one of our questionnaires, would you fill that in for us? 271 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:10,000 Questionnaires. 272 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:11,000 Right. 273 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,000 If I like going to the Lone Farm or something. 274 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:18,000 No, this is part of our scientific study and we'd appreciate it if you would fill us 275 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:19,000 in. 276 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,000 It would give us all the material that we need. 277 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:22,000 Okay. 278 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:23,000 That's good. 279 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:24,000 All right, sir. 280 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:25,000 Thanks again for the call. 281 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:26,000 Okay. 282 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,000 And if we get any more on this, we'll get back to you and let you know. 283 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:30,000 Okay. 284 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:31,000 Thank you. 285 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:32,000 Okay. 286 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:33,000 Good night.